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		<title>By: oby</title>
		<link>http://saudialchemist.org/2009/11/07/inside-the-kingdom/#comment-707</link>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Nov 2009 20:18:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Murtadha,

Your sisters in law must be very happy with their husbands! My husband who is from India and has been in America 15+ years doesn&#039;t even do that for me...OK, he&#039;ll vacuum and unload the dishwasher once in a while.

It sounds as if your mother was a very wise  woman and prepared her sons for their marriages well. If the woman is happy the rest of the family is happy!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Murtadha,</p>
<p>Your sisters in law must be very happy with their husbands! My husband who is from India and has been in America 15+ years doesn&#8217;t even do that for me&#8230;OK, he&#8217;ll vacuum and unload the dishwasher once in a while.</p>
<p>It sounds as if your mother was a very wise  woman and prepared her sons for their marriages well. If the woman is happy the rest of the family is happy!</p>
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		<title>By: Murtadha</title>
		<link>http://saudialchemist.org/2009/11/07/inside-the-kingdom/#comment-704</link>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Nov 2009 19:00:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[oby, 
excellent comment and summary about the book. I would love to hear your reflection on many parts of the book. I will write my reflection soon but I am kinda busy with final for this upcoming two weeks. So, soon I will write my review. I might be able to do an interview with the author in my blog. so let me know if you have specific question that you want to ask for the author. 
as for lesbianism, there are even gays in Saudi Arabia and I will talk about that later in another post. It has become like a phenomena in Saudi arabia. but I wouldn&#039;t generalize one story on the whole population. The new generation of Saudi are  more open and different than the previous ones. for example Many of my friends who are married, would never leave the house without a permission of their wife :) they are very proud of that. My married brothers wash the dishes and clean the bathroom  and do the laundry for their wives. So I think it all depend on family teaching and environment.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>oby,<br />
excellent comment and summary about the book. I would love to hear your reflection on many parts of the book. I will write my reflection soon but I am kinda busy with final for this upcoming two weeks. So, soon I will write my review. I might be able to do an interview with the author in my blog. so let me know if you have specific question that you want to ask for the author.<br />
as for lesbianism, there are even gays in Saudi Arabia and I will talk about that later in another post. It has become like a phenomena in Saudi arabia. but I wouldn&#8217;t generalize one story on the whole population. The new generation of Saudi are  more open and different than the previous ones. for example Many of my friends who are married, would never leave the house without a permission of their wife <img src='http://s0.wp.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' />  they are very proud of that. My married brothers wash the dishes and clean the bathroom  and do the laundry for their wives. So I think it all depend on family teaching and environment.</p>
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		<title>By: oby</title>
		<link>http://saudialchemist.org/2009/11/07/inside-the-kingdom/#comment-701</link>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Nov 2009 17:17:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I am reading this book now and it is a page turner...I am thinking that if it is accurate it is an amazing insight behind the curtain of Saudi Arabia. I am only about 1/2 done. Two things that stood out to me in particular so far...how, in the aftermath of 9/11 it was the Saudis who were after the Americans to get it together better and it was the Saudis who created a &quot;commission&quot; to try to deal with this head on BEFORE the Americans got around to it and it was after Saudi pushing that it got done. (I apologize as I have forgotten the name of the commission and I can&#039;t find it in the book now) It appears that the Saudis were quite proactive quickly.

No offense to anyone Saudi about the next part...I am just telling it like it was in the book.

The second is it talks about lesbianism in KSA. Almost the whole chapter is quoted by women as to why it happens. The author doesn&#039;t really put his opinion in but rather lets women explain what goes on. 

It is for primarily two reasons:

1. the woman says that in general Saudi men do not respect their women and treat them as if they are embarrassed by them when inside KSA. She said that is due to mothers treating their sons as if they are the most wonderful thing God put on the earth and they have an overblown sense of self due to that. She said once the family leaves KSA(vacation) the men are completely different and so nice. So she says it is something about the culture that compels them to act this way. They leave their wives alone a great deal of the time to go out and hang with their friends, they cheat with other women and the women are not only treated badly they are lonely.

2. Due to the strict segregation of the sexes the women spend the vast majority of their time with women...they eat together, laugh together, comfort each other, but most of all they have respect for each other which is something they can&#039;t find with their husbands. BECAUSE these women crave respect and tenderness and because they can&#039;t get it from their husbands and because they are in such close proximity to women who do give them respect naturally, they do allow themselves to become involved in love affairs that reach them not so much on a sexual level but on an EMOTIONAL level. They are getting from other women what they can&#039;t get from their husbands. Because it is forbidden to be seen with another man in any way shape or form, even considering an extramarital affair with a man is suicide. So they turn to those with whom it is safe. She said they can shop, eat out, watch movies do everything together and no one thinks about it and that also makes it easy to conduct affairs.

I felt sorry for the women because if they got what they needed from their husbands and I don&#039;t mean sex...but rather tenderness, conversation as an equal, respect, etc they most likely would never seek to look outside their marriage. There would be no need to. 

She says it would take mothers treating their children, boys and girls, equally and the society would need to see them as equal to men too in order for the men to realize that women needed a gentle touch. Perhaps a little sensitivity training???

and she said that is what the big attraction about the soap opera NOOR was all about. the husband treated his wife as an object of his desire but an equal as well.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am reading this book now and it is a page turner&#8230;I am thinking that if it is accurate it is an amazing insight behind the curtain of Saudi Arabia. I am only about 1/2 done. Two things that stood out to me in particular so far&#8230;how, in the aftermath of 9/11 it was the Saudis who were after the Americans to get it together better and it was the Saudis who created a &#8220;commission&#8221; to try to deal with this head on BEFORE the Americans got around to it and it was after Saudi pushing that it got done. (I apologize as I have forgotten the name of the commission and I can&#8217;t find it in the book now) It appears that the Saudis were quite proactive quickly.</p>
<p>No offense to anyone Saudi about the next part&#8230;I am just telling it like it was in the book.</p>
<p>The second is it talks about lesbianism in KSA. Almost the whole chapter is quoted by women as to why it happens. The author doesn&#8217;t really put his opinion in but rather lets women explain what goes on. </p>
<p>It is for primarily two reasons:</p>
<p>1. the woman says that in general Saudi men do not respect their women and treat them as if they are embarrassed by them when inside KSA. She said that is due to mothers treating their sons as if they are the most wonderful thing God put on the earth and they have an overblown sense of self due to that. She said once the family leaves KSA(vacation) the men are completely different and so nice. So she says it is something about the culture that compels them to act this way. They leave their wives alone a great deal of the time to go out and hang with their friends, they cheat with other women and the women are not only treated badly they are lonely.</p>
<p>2. Due to the strict segregation of the sexes the women spend the vast majority of their time with women&#8230;they eat together, laugh together, comfort each other, but most of all they have respect for each other which is something they can&#8217;t find with their husbands. BECAUSE these women crave respect and tenderness and because they can&#8217;t get it from their husbands and because they are in such close proximity to women who do give them respect naturally, they do allow themselves to become involved in love affairs that reach them not so much on a sexual level but on an EMOTIONAL level. They are getting from other women what they can&#8217;t get from their husbands. Because it is forbidden to be seen with another man in any way shape or form, even considering an extramarital affair with a man is suicide. So they turn to those with whom it is safe. She said they can shop, eat out, watch movies do everything together and no one thinks about it and that also makes it easy to conduct affairs.</p>
<p>I felt sorry for the women because if they got what they needed from their husbands and I don&#8217;t mean sex&#8230;but rather tenderness, conversation as an equal, respect, etc they most likely would never seek to look outside their marriage. There would be no need to. </p>
<p>She says it would take mothers treating their children, boys and girls, equally and the society would need to see them as equal to men too in order for the men to realize that women needed a gentle touch. Perhaps a little sensitivity training???</p>
<p>and she said that is what the big attraction about the soap opera NOOR was all about. the husband treated his wife as an object of his desire but an equal as well.</p>
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		<title>By: Murtadha</title>
		<link>http://saudialchemist.org/2009/11/07/inside-the-kingdom/#comment-687</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Murtadha]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 15 Nov 2009 22:53:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Chiara,
I really recommend reading the book. It is very interesting and once you start reading it, you will not put down until you finish it.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Chiara,<br />
I really recommend reading the book. It is very interesting and once you start reading it, you will not put down until you finish it.</p>
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		<title>By: Chiara</title>
		<link>http://saudialchemist.org/2009/11/07/inside-the-kingdom/#comment-680</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Chiara]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Nov 2009 01:06:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Very interesting excerpt and discussion.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Very interesting excerpt and discussion.</p>
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		<title>By: Murtadha</title>
		<link>http://saudialchemist.org/2009/11/07/inside-the-kingdom/#comment-674</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Murtadha]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Nov 2009 04:07:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[-susanne430 &amp; Mahla
The book is incredible in a sense that you will want to finish it once you got to reading. I will write my review about it soon. 

-Hala
you disappeared suddenly from the blog sphere so I am glad to hear back from you. 
I am glad that Mr. Shobokshi was able to get to his TV show and publish his article in the newspaper. I am very astonished by his courage in writing such an article. It is dangerous as you said, to talk about political, social reform here!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>-susanne430 &amp; Mahla<br />
The book is incredible in a sense that you will want to finish it once you got to reading. I will write my review about it soon. </p>
<p>-Hala<br />
you disappeared suddenly from the blog sphere so I am glad to hear back from you.<br />
I am glad that Mr. Shobokshi was able to get to his TV show and publish his article in the newspaper. I am very astonished by his courage in writing such an article. It is dangerous as you said, to talk about political, social reform here!</p>
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		<title>By: Hala</title>
		<link>http://saudialchemist.org/2009/11/07/inside-the-kingdom/#comment-672</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Hala]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Nov 2009 02:31:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Hi Murtadha,
I had the pleasure of joining a discussion of the beautiful article of Huseein Shobokshi from the man himself in the Makkiyah salon at Jeddah sometime around the time it was published. He was a very enlightened, specific in addressing things with their real name, and quite pessimistic, not like the impression you get from reading his article... He is presenting a show on economic analysis now in a TV show and writing a weekly article on foreign politics for Asharq Al Awsat, his fight and demands as listed in the article are quite simple yet so far and dangerous to claim...]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Murtadha,<br />
I had the pleasure of joining a discussion of the beautiful article of Huseein Shobokshi from the man himself in the Makkiyah salon at Jeddah sometime around the time it was published. He was a very enlightened, specific in addressing things with their real name, and quite pessimistic, not like the impression you get from reading his article&#8230; He is presenting a show on economic analysis now in a TV show and writing a weekly article on foreign politics for Asharq Al Awsat, his fight and demands as listed in the article are quite simple yet so far and dangerous to claim&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Mahla</title>
		<link>http://saudialchemist.org/2009/11/07/inside-the-kingdom/#comment-669</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Mahla]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Nov 2009 20:22:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Great excerpt! I really want to read this. 

I really root for Saudi Arabia to progress. I think a lot of people don&#039;t appreciate how much it has already progressed in say, 100 years. :^)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great excerpt! I really want to read this. </p>
<p>I really root for Saudi Arabia to progress. I think a lot of people don&#8217;t appreciate how much it has already progressed in say, 100 years. :^)</p>
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		<title>By: susanne430</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Nov 2009 00:23:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Thanks for posting this.  Eager to hear your thoughts on this book! :)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for posting this.  Eager to hear your thoughts on this book! <img src='http://s0.wp.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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